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Then and Now
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Then, and Now
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This page will aim to show you pictures of the preserved vehicles that are around today in their old working life. I am particularly interested in all pictures of vintage vehicles, and its with great thanks to Chris Stanley for helping me get started with the section.
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Thanks & Copyrights
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All old photo's submitted by either Peter Green or Chris Stanley. These photo's are copyrighted to them and should not be used unless you have their permission. Where photo's have been purchased at stalls, copyrights (where known/listed) will gratefully given to their owners ALL NOW photo's are copyrighted to me unless stated.
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RCL2223
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Seen here in its old working life at Aldgate, RCL2223 blinded for Greenline route 721 sits ready for another journey. RCL2223 is now with British Airways and can often be seen parked up around Heathrow
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Here is RCL2223 in the present day, parked up amongst a bunch of Scania Omnicity's at Heathrow Airport.
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RT1431
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Pictured at Brighton on the 4th May 1969 is RT1431. This bus is pictured and blinded for route 183 to Pinner. RT1431 is a Craven Bodied RT which is now preserved by Ensignbus and was last seen helping out on the shuttle service at Cobham Open day 2006.
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Here is RT1431, working on the last day of crew operation of route 38 in London.
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RT3062
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Seen here, at Fulwell on the 7th September 1969 is RT3062. This bus is a Saunders bodied RT, with roofbox and is now preserved by Blue Triangle.
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Here is RT3062 today, seen on the 23rd December 2005 on a special working on route 4.
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RM46
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RM46, seen at Chiswick Open day 1980. The registration number of this vehicle, VLT46 is now on a Go Ahead Tow Truck.
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VLT46 - Stage 2
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VLT46 (the registration of RM46) in its second stage, graced an MCW metrobus. Its seen here in 1992 at Victoria. VLT46 is now on a London General Tow Truck (picture to appear soon)
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RCL2234
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RCL2234, also seen at Aldgate Bus Station in 1965. This bus is preserved at a Birmingham Museum.
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TD130 - THEN
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TD130 is a Leyland Tiger PS1. Its seen here on the 27th October 1968 at Reading. It is now preserved with a Bristol group who are restoring this bus. (Updated)
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TD130 - NOW
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Unforunately, although we know this a recent photo, we have no specific details of time or loaction.
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RT4497
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RT4497, also pictured at Aldgate on route 723A to Grays on 26th March 1964. This vehicle is now privately preserved.
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G351
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Cobham's latest restoration project is Guy Arab G351. It's seen here amongst other vehicles at Crystal Palace Train Yard, 13 October 1968.
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And here is G351 (3rd from left) amongst a bunch of other restored buses at Cobham Open Day 2006.
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STL2692 - THEN
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Here is STL2692 also at Crystal palace train yard on the 13th October 1968. (Updated)
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STL2692 - NOW
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Seen at Gravesend Rally 2006.
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RMC4
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Prototype RMC4 (SLT59) seen here on 2nd February 1964 at Aldgate. Aldgate seems to have been an ideal place to catch Greenline Routemasters! This particular picture shows RMC4 on route 720, which ran from Aldgate to Bishops Stortford.
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CRL4 - NOW
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CRL4 at Showbus 2006
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RM1
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What would this page be without the first one! Here is RM1 (SLT56) at West Ham Bus garage on the 1st June 1960.
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And here is RM1 today, well last Sunday actually (14 May 2006) at Slough Running Day. The vehicle is wonderfully preserved and maintained by the London Transport Museum.
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RT190 - THEN
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(Update) Here is an older shot of RT190 at West ham garage in 1969.
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RT190 - NOW
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Seen at Green Park in October 2005. This bus was used on the last day of crew operation on route 38. Note the body change - evident by the roofbox.
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T792 - THEN
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Also at Brighton on the same day as above, is T792. It is preserved by Mr John Herting, Chorleywood. (Updated)
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T792 - NOW (Updated)
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And here is T792 now - Seen at Amersham Running Day 2007.
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RT44
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Another RT preserved RT44 also seen at Brighton. This vehicle is preserved by Mr D Wood of Marchwood, Hants.
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RT50 1989
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A line up of RT's at RT50, Covent Garden on the 6th August 1989. From right to left is RTW185, RT172, RT3254 and RT113. RT172 is preserved by Mr A Roskoss of Huddersfield, RT3254 is preserved by Mr C Wills or Stevenage, RT113 is preserved in Southfields (london). All are still making trips - RTW185, RT113 and RT3254 seen at Cobham 2006.
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RT8
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This more a case of now rather than then. RT8 has been in America for over 40 years, but now its back where it belongs - In the UK and even better, in the hands of Ensignbus who are refurbishing this bus. This picture shows the bus in current condition on April 10th 2006.
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RTL554
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Also seen at RT50, Finsbury Park is RTL554 now preserved in York by Mr. I. Macbeth.
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Timebus at RM50
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This pic is more NOW rather than then, but its a worthy picture to have! Seen at RM50 is a whole bunch of routemasters preserved by Timebus, alongside Blue Triangle's RML900. In shot is RM1871 with RML2310 behind, and just behind that is one of two opentop routemasters that timebus have in the form of RM450.
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RCL2220 & RCL2226
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Here is a picture of RCL2220 and RCL2226. RCL2220 is preserved by Ensignbus and is used at some rallies, but mainly private hire work.
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And here is RCL2220 now. Preserved by Ensignbus and seen here on the special workings day on route 159, 8th December 2005, The day before the last day of crew operation in London. Ensignbus have also recently taken on board RCL2226.
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HYM768
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Q Class Trolleybus 1768 (reg no. HYM768) seen here at Stonebridge park depot. This bus is now preserved at the London Transport museum, Covent Garden.
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RLH61
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RLH61 seen here at Clapton in 1968. It's showing route 178, terminating at Clapton Pond.
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And here is RLH61, 38 years later, at the Hackney Marshes Running day, seen here at Clapton Pond, close to where the old picture was taken. This bus is now preserved by Ensignbus.
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RLH23
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Here is RLH23 seen at Stonebridge Park depot, 8th Feb 1970.
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And here is RLH23 now, Also seen at Hackney Marshes running day in 2006, and it looks, sounds and runs as good as new! This bus is now preserved by Timebus.
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RM9
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Here is RM9, seen at Slough, also seen on the 8th February 1970.
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And here is RM9 today. Seen here at Wisley Airfield on 4th April 2006, it is now in the hands of London General/London Central's Private hire department.
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RM6
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Here is RM6 at Walthamstow on the 5th October 1968.
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RM6 NOW
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Here is RM6 now, preserved by Arriva London, and seen at Showbus 2006.
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RML2394
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Here is a picture of RML2394 seen at West Ham Garage in February 1968.
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RML2394 - NOW (Updated)
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And here is RML2394 today. Seen at Sutton Green in 2007
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RML3
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RML3, seen here on the 21st February 1965 at West Ham Garage. This bus is preserved and was seen at Cobham open day on the 477 shuttle route, 4th April 2006.
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And here is RML3 today, Preserved at Cobham musuem and seen here on the 18th June 2006 on Cobham Museum's Nostalgia day.
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Q83
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Here is Q83, which is now preserved at Cobham Museum. This photo was taken on the 14th March 1970 at Stonebridge park depot.
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TD95
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Seen at the same place and time as Q83 above. These 2 buses where photographed prior to them going to Cobham Bus Museum.
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And here is a shot of TD95 and Q83 together.
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So here is TD95 today, fully restored by Cobham Museum, and seen running in service on a recreation of route 236 at Hackney Marshes running day 2006. It's seen here at Dalston Garage - which doesn't exist anymore!
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And here is Q83 sitting in at Cobham Museum, 4th April 2006.
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RF486
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Here is RF486 on the 1st February 1970 on route 285 to Kingston.
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And here is RF486, at Clapton Pond, taking part in the Hackney Marshes running day 2006.
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RM2 - Then
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RM2 sits next to RT3730 at New Cross garage, 2 July 1968
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RM2 Now
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Here is RM2 now, pictured at the LT museum in Acton.
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RT329 - THEN
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Here is RT329, alongside RT1866 on the 10th March 1968 at Tring Garage.
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RT329 - NOW
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Here is RT329 (left) today, preserved at seen here at Cobham Bus and Coach Gathering, 4th April 2006.
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RM1224 - Then
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Here is RM1224 seen here at Edmonton Depot (before entering service) in December 1962.
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RM1224 - Now
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And here is RM1224 today. Seen here on in February 2006 at Crystal Palace, this bus joined another 20 or so Routemasters to celebrate 50 years of this superb vehicle.
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RM450
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Here is RM450, with its roof on a sightseeing tour in 1986.
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RM450 - NOW
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And here is RM450, now open top, with Timebus on its way to a Wedding seen on Baker Street in April 2006.
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RM1000 - THEN
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Here is RM1000 on route 18 at Stonebridge Park Depot, 1968.
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RM1000 - NOW
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Here is RM1000 Now, at Showbus Duxford
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RMF1254 - THEN
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Here is RMF1254 in March 1963 on a months loan to East Kent. Photo taken at Cantebury Station.
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RMF1254 - NOW
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Here is RMF1254 on the 8th December 2005 running on the specials day on route 159, the day before crew operation ceased on this route, and in London altogether.
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RML2364
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Here is RML2364 on route 11 at Whitehall (date unknown)
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RML2364
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Here is RML2364 at Hemel Hempstead Running day in 2006.
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RML2412
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With special all over advertising is RML2412, date and location unknown.
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RML2412 - NOW
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Here is a shot of RML2412 at Hemel Hempstead running day in 2006.
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RML2440
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Here is RML2440, date and location unknown.
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RML2440 - NOW
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Here is RML2440 at Hemel Hempstead Running Day 2006.
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RML2515
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Working at night, RML2515 runs on route N90 (date and location unknown)
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RML2515 - NOW
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And here is RML2515 now, preserved, and seen on the route 2 Road Run in February 2006 to mark 50 years of the RM.
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FRM1
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An old photo of FRM1
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FRM1 - NOW
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Here's FRM1 now, Running on the heritage routes running day, September 2006.
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RM2217 - THEN
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An oldish photo of RM2217 in Cowies livery (With route branding)
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RM2217 - NOW
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Seen at Alton Rally in 2006, repainted and refurbished.
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RM1878 - THEN
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An old photo of RM1878
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RM1878 - NOW
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Seen at Crystal Palace Road Run on route 2, Febraury 2006.
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RF28 - THEN
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Taken near West Croydon in the 1970's
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RF28 - NOW
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Here is RF28 at St. Albans Rally in January 2006.
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RF48 - THEN
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An old photo of RF48
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RF48 - NOW
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At Cobham bus museum Nostalgia Day, 2006.
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RF308 - THEN
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NEW!! Here is RF308, taken at Epsom races on the 29th August 1966
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RF308 - NOW (Updated)
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Here is RF308 seen at Amersham Running Day 2007
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BL49 - THEN
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BL49 - NOW
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Here is BL49 now, at Chingford station on the 10th September 2006 at the Chingford bus rally. Photo generously supplied by Jason Hall.
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RP90 - THEN
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Taken at Hammersmith Bus Station in 1971 is RP90.
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RP90 - NOW
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Seen at the Cobham & Wisley Bus Gathering in April 2006. This photo was taken at Weybridge Station.
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RML903 - THEN
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Not taken as far back as most photo's but seen 13 years ago in 1993 at Golders Green is RML903 on the 13's.
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RML903 - NOW
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Here is RML903 now, seen at Alton rally 2006.
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RT604 - THEN (Updated)
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Here is RT604 at West Croydon in June 1977 (c) Jim Blake
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RT604 - NOW (Updated)
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Seen at Dorking, September 2007
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XF1 - THEN
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A shot of XF1, in the Seventies at East Grinstead.
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XF1 - NOW
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Seen at East Grinstead rally in 2006.
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RM116 - THEN
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Here is RM116 on the 9A at Hyde Park Corner
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RM116 - NOW
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Seen at Redhill Steam Fair, August 2006.
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RCL2260 - THEN
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Here is RCL2260, working on route 149
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RCL2260 - NOW
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Taken on the 8th December 2006 - The penultimate day to crew operation on route 159. This bus is still in preservation by Blue Triangle and makes rallies, the latest being Gravesend.
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RT1018 - THEN
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Taken at Ascot in 1966.
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RT1018 - NOW
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A Recent shot of RT1018.
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RT1282 THEN
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RT1282 Then - Submitted by Brian Watkinson - (photo originally based at Ian Armstrong's London Bus routes site)
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RT1282 - NOW
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Here is RT1282 NOW - in France. Photo submitted by Brian Watkinson.
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RM8 - THEN
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RM8 THEN, by Bexleyheath Garage, on route 229.
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RM8 NOW
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RM8 NOW at Showbus in September 2006.
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RM1397 THEN
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RM1397 outside Brixton garage, on route 109.
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RM1397 NOW
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And here is RM1397 now (right) sitting next to RML2700 at Dorking Rally, September 2006.
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RM120 - THEN
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RM120 Then - Taken at Poplar Garage around 1960.
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RM120 NOW
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RM120 NOW - Showbus, September 2006. This routemaster has been reregistered and also has been converted to open top.
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GS50 THEN
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Sitting at Peckham in 1968 is GS50
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GS50 NOW
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GS50 NOW, taken by its owner quite recently.
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RM408 THEN
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RM408 on route 127 at Westminster/Parliament Square
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RM408 NOW
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RM408 taken now in Sri Lanka with its owners
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RM259 THEN
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RM259 at the end of Oxford Street by Marble Arch back in the 60's
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RM259 NOW
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Here is RM259 in 2006
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RM1001 THEN
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RM1001 is seen here at Finchley Garage sitting next to an RTW358 (reg no. LLU 508) on the 11th February 1968.
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RM1001 NOW
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Taken at Epping 2006. RM1001 on static display.
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M57 Then
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The first MCW metrobus to feature in then and now! Here is M57 at Aldenham in 1983.
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M57 Now
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And here is M57, 23 years later at Showbus, 2006.
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** 12 November Update Below **
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RLH45
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Seen here at Guildford in July 1970 is RLH45. This bus is now in New Zealand, hopefully still running and preserved!
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RLH45 - NOW
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Thanks to Robert Murdoch for supplying a photo of RLH45 in its current state, in his yard at New Zealand.
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RMC1477 - THEN
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Here is RMC1477 on Greenline route 718. This photo was taken on the 14th April 1968 at Windsor. (updated)
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RMC1477 Then (2)
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Here is RMC1477 midway through its life, as a trainer for London General (c) Gordon Allis
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RMC1477 - NOW
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And here is RMC1477 now, running on a Private hire at Whitehall. This bus is owned by Timebus (South Mimms)
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RF370 - THEN
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NEW!! - Here is RF370 in all its glory on the last night of route 202 - 25 October 1968. The bus is just pulling away from the stop in Hawkstone road just passed Surrey Docks station opposite southwark park. Buses no longer use this road due to the opening of Canada Water Station. Many local routes were diverted to serve the new station and away from once familiar roads. Added info supplied by Paul Brophy
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RF370 - NOW
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(Updated) This is RF370 in its current state, photo taken by Vaughan Upson, who discovered this bus just sitting here
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RF370
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A 2nd shot of RF370. (c) Vaughn Upson
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RT2592 - Then
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Here is a shot of RT2592 (possibly Golders Green), Date & owner of photo unknown.
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RT2592 - NOW
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And here is RT2592 now (c) Robert Murdoch, again in his yard in New Zealand.
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And a shot of them together. (c) Robert Murdoch.
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RTW178
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RTW178, in 1961 on route 85. (c) Unknown
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RTW178 - NOW
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Here is RTW178 now - at Dorking Rally in 2006.
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T31 - Then
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Here is T31, probably around 1950, on route 218. (c) Unknown
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T31 - NOW
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Here is T31, preserved by the LBPT - Cobham. Photo taken June 2006
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RTL139 - Then
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Here is RTL139 running on route 172. (Date, location and copyright unknown)
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RTL139 - NOW
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Here RTL139 now - Taken at the Pre-hibernation day in October 2006
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STL469 - Then
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Here is STL469 under refurbishment (c) Chris Stanley
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STL469 - Now
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Here is STL469 Now (c) Ian Smith
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RM254
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Here is RM254 c1978. (c) Gordon Allis
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RM254 - NOW
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Parked up at Aldwych in September 2006.
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RM25 - Then (ish)
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Here is RM25 in 1984 (c) Gordon Allis.
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RM25 - Now
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It's regained it original VLT25 number plate, and seen here at Brooklands museum in 2006.
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RT227 - Then
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Here is RT227. The Date is unknown, but could be anything after 1959! (c) Unknown.
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RT227 - NOW
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Here is RT227 now, seen at Alton Rally in 2006
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RML2334
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Here is RML2334 c1970. (c) Gordon Allis
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RML2334 - NOW
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Seen at Showbus 2006
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RT3955 - THEN (Updated)
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Here is RT3955 in Watford High St, July 1969 (c) Jim Blake
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RT3955 - NOW
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Here is RT3955 now. (c) Brian Watkinson
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RT2177 - Then
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Seen in Bromley (North Street) Date Unknown
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RT2177 - NOW
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Here is RT2177 now, seen at Slough running day 2006.
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RML2463
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Seen on the 243B, is RML2463 in 1970. (c) Gordon Allis
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RML2463 - NOW
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Preserved, and seen here at Showbus 2006
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RMC1510 Then (ish)
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RMC1510 in 1985, as an LT Trainer (C) Gordon Allis
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RMC1510 - NOW
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Seen on its first trip from Royal Albert Hall, on the Heritage Special workings, September 2006
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UPDATE - 9th OCTOBER 2007
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TD118
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Another Leyland Tiger PS1 in the form of TD118, seen here at Fulwell Bus Garage on the 26th April 1964. This vehicle is now privatly preserved in Southampton
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NEW! - TD118 NOW
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Here is TD118 today, photographed by Mr. D. Bole. The bus is currently under restoration in Dover.
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